Friday the 13th (1980)

0:49 What's up, everybody? I am your head camp counselor, Chris, and that is my co counselor, Jordan. And welcome back to Camp Grindhouse. Totally not affiliated with the other camp Grindhouse where all those murders happened last season. But we are moving on and we are doing a big one this week. So in order to celebrate the up and coming Friday the 13th, aka this Friday, we thought, let's do the motherfucking og of them all, Sean S. Cunningham's Friday the 13th from 1980, celebrating the. Season two as well, with a banger that is not vacancy two. There's a restart.

1:36 We've talked a lot about Friday the 13th franchise, maybe on the show a fairly decent amount, but personally a lot. And it's interesting because I've always really liked this movie. This movie's always been like my favorite or one of my favorites. And I know it's not like one of your favorites. I mean, I know you don't dislike it, but it's not like you're one or two. No, no. I don't know where you get that from. I feel like we've debated this before because this movie doesn't have like hockey Mask zombie Jason in it. It doesn't. But we'll, we'll get to that. I'll get, I'll get to my, my reasonings and my ratings there at the end. Maybe as far as like, ratings movie wise goes, this is, this is top two. Yeah, but I mean, like your list of favorite movies, if you were to put them in a row, there's like. You know, I'll turn on Manhattan if I want to watch like, Jason and a hockey mask murder people in awesome fucking ways. That is a fantastic movie. Part seven, Jason looks amazing fighting Carrie.

2:45 Like, just everything about that's great. But when it comes to ratings and actually movie like, I'm not rating either one of those movies anywhere close to five. See, I, I love part six. Part six is so fun. It's such a fun movie to watch. But for some reason, man, this one is my favorite one. And I do, I don't understand it because we don't get Jason, which is, you know, Friday 13th. But I don't know, man. I don't know if it's nostalgia or. I seen this one so many times when I was younger, I don't know. But I love this movie. Well, we do, you know, this, this gave birth to my favorite horror franchise of all time. And that, you know, that can't be understated. I do think six, seven and eight was like the peak Friday the 13th for me. Those are my favorite. Those are zombie Jason.

3:43 Just camp. Campers, camp counselors in the woods or on a boat, uh, taking a lake through the ocean up to New York. Yeah. Um, but I think that's like the peak run. Those are my favorite to put on. But as a movie, uh, this one cannot be understated. Yeah, this is so I don't, I don't, every year I don't watch them all. I think I've told you before, wherever I, one year I'll watch, you know, all the Freddy movies around Halloween, and then the next year I watch all the Jason movies. I kind of just switch back and forth. But one constant is the very beginning of fall. I watch this movie sometime in September or beginning of October. I like to try to kick things off with this movie. This is every year movie.

4:33 I was thinking about it and I can't even put a number on how many times I've seen this movie overall. But I was thinking about the great twist ending, the reveal, what made this movie, what it was. And I honestly cannot remember a time where I didn't know the ending. And that's kind of a shame. I wish I could remember the first time I watched this and was surprised by that. But my way back memory of being a little kid and like, the first time I can remember seeing this, it obviously wasn't the first one because I already knew who the killer was. So I watched this at some point before I even started tracking memories.

5:14 Yeah, this was a movie I really wanted to cover in the first year, the season one. It was one of the movies I could not wait to talk about. And if you remember, I had a question that I have wanted to ask you for probably more than a year. And we're finally here. I finally get to ask this question. I may have an answer for you. All right. I may make you wait a year. Okay. Since you made me wait a year for you to ask it. Oh, I didn't want to. I wanted to ask it on the show. Like, I almost asked it when we weren't recording a while ago, and I was like, no, no, no, I gotta hold out because I know we're gonna do this movie. I've always finally, here, we've covered so many of my favorite movies recently. Like, the show is almost just like, you know, our favorite movie syndicate.

6:06 Well, we've covered, we covered vacancy, too. Yeah, that's nobody's favorite movie. Anyway, I am so ready to talk about this movie. So let's get into it. Hello, boys and ghouls. If you want to stay up to date and what's going on with the show, talk about or submit your movie requests or just say say die. Then I got good noose for you. You can always find us at one. Of our social media accounts or our official website@grindhousehorrorpod.com. face crook at the Grindhouse Syndicate, horror podcast instascam at grindhousesyndicate, horror, pot and many gore, which you can always find links for in the show notes as always.

6:58 And you know what I always say. The morgue the merrier. So please subscribe or follow for alerts and new episodes. Now back to the show. Kitties frights camera action. And if you really love us and don't want us to get an arrow through the neck, give us a five star review. One thing I do want to do is give a shout out to the wonderful voice actor we worked with to create that awesome little transition that you just heard. His name is Jeff Garris and he goes by the name Jeff G. On Fiverr. He specializes in scary Halloween type voices. If you're looking for a voice actor that is great to work with and reasonably priced, go to our man Jeff. Truly, hands down great to work with. I will put his fiverr info in our show notes.

7:59 And once again, thank you Jeff. We hope you are listening and we will definitely be working with you again. And since we're doing shoutouts, Jordan got his Necronomicon from replay Toys, who we talked about in the last episode. We'll have to get some pictures put up. Yeah, you got it. Actually, a little cheaper than spirit. Halloween had it right? Yeah, I did. Even with shipping, it ended up probably about $20 cheaper. Yeah, we will throw their website in our show notes again. In case you were looking for a good place to buy some horror collectibles. Friday the 13th is a 1980 american independent slasher film produced and directed by Sean S.

8:42 Cunningham. It was written by Victor Miller and is starring Betsy Palmer, Adrian Kingdom, Harry Crosby, Laurie Bartman, Mark Nelson, Janine Taylor, Robbie Morgan, and Kevin fucking bacon. Its plot follows a group of teenage camp counselors who are murdered one by one by an unknown killer while they are attempting to reopen an abandoned summer camp with a tragic past. Weve done that ourselves. Believe weve reopened like four times now. Yeah, its been a couple times. So, prompted by the success of John Carpenters Halloween from 1978, director Cunningham put on an advertisement to sell the film in variety in early 1979 while Miller was still drafting the screenplay. After casting the film in New York City, a filming took place in New Jersey in the summer of 1979 on an estimated budget of $550,000.

9:41 A bidding war ensued over the finished film, ending with Paramount Pictures acquiring the film for domestic distribution while Warner Brothers secured international distribution rights. Seeing the producers were the same producers that put up the money for the last house on the left. Yep. And it's funny that they put out an ad in the paper. The Friday the 13th is from the producers of the last house on the left. The scariest movie ever made. It was not even a screenplay. I didn't even know what the movie was going to be about. Yeah, he put it out there to get people to chip in money. It was a big play and it worked, man. He rolled the dice. So it was released on May 9 of 1980.

10:27 Friday the 13th was a major box office success, grossing a 59.8 million worldwide. Critical response was divided with some praising the films cinematography and score, while numerous others talked shit about it for its depiction of graphic violence. Sounds familiar. Aside from being the first independent film of its kind to secure distribution in the US by a major studio, its box office success led to a long series of sequels, a crossover with a nightmare on Elm street, and a 2009 series reboot. A direct sequel, Friday the 13th part two, was released one year later.

11:10 Cunningham, who was inspired by John Carpenter's Halloween, wanted Friday the 13th to be shocking, visually stunning, and make you jump out of your seat wanting to distance himself from the last house on the left. Cunningham wanted Friday the 13th to be more of a roller coaster ride. The film was shot in and around the townships of Hardwicke, Blairstown, and Hope, New Jersey in September of 1979. The camp scenes were shot on a working Boy Scout camp named Camp no B. Bo Sco. Which is located. Yeah, that's the fucking name. And it's harder. It's hard to say. Located in Hardwick, New Jersey, the camps. The camp is still standing and still operates as a summer camp in April of 2018. Camp no bebo sco. Why does all camps have the weirdest fucking names? Not the ones in movies, but the ones in real life.

12:00 Always have some. Like, I feel like. Like really hard native american word to say. Yes. Say. Say no. Be bo five times fast. So nobody. Bosco, where the film was shot, held a crystal lake tours, an event dedicated to the making of the film, which brought attendees to nine of the filming locations on the property. The event was attended by actress Adrienne King, who recounted the making of the film to fans. God damn, that would have been an amazing thing to attend. Yeah, yeah, I remember talking about that when we read about it. Yeah, man, I wish it could have been in a place to attend that.

12:40 Yeah, we were both in the army at the time. Many, many, many miles away, getting screwed. By the old government. When Harry Manfredini began working on the musical score, the decision was made to only play music when the killer was actually present so as not to manipulate the audience. Manfredini borrows from the 1975 film jaws, where the Shark is likewise not seen for the majority of the film, but the motif created by John Williams cued the audience to the sharks. Invisible Menace. Since its release in 1980, the film has spawned a franchise that includes mini sequels, novels, comic books, video games, documentaries, and even a mashup with fellow horror icon Freddy Krueger, age 24, announced on October 31 of 2022 that a Friday the 13th prequel series was being developed, titled Crystal Lake.

13:35 In January of 2023, Adrian King was cast in a recurring, undisclosed role in the series. Yeah, I got a. I got a little bit to talk about with that, actually. So I think when, when it was just leaked not that long ago, when I guess they started to reboot, like, they canceled what they were doing. Oh, they fired Brian Fuller. Yeah. So it was supposed to be each season took place at the time of one of the movies and they were gonna go in order. They even made the joke, if we get. If we get ten seasons, we'll do Jason and space. And I always had large complaints about that because I said, who the fuck wants to see, like, we're going to wait for this show for that long and we're not going to get Jason Voorhees.

14:22 And the way they were going to set that up for the whole first season would have been that way. But I had moment of clarity while I was watching the movie, and I just recently rewatched Bates Motel. And if they can do a season, even if it was just one season of the Jason when he was younger or after he passes with his mom Pamela. And they can do it. Oh, yeah. Even close to as good as they did Bates Motel. I think it could be a great show. Yeah, that's actually good. I. Good idea. It's a good point. You should dm that shit. You should make a 24. Pay you for that.

15:05 All right, so ratings. Rotten tomatoes a 66%. IMDb a 6.4 out of ten. A letterboxed a three out of five. But the Google average audience rating is a 4.5. If you would like to watch this movie, you can currently find it available to rent on Amazon, Apple, YouTube, and Google Play for about four ball hairs. As long as you didn't go with chesticles, I'm fine. Oh, it's somewhere in here. Great. No, I got some real good ones for you in here. So we start off way back in 1958, where we see that Camp Crystal Lake is thriving with a large group of campers and those damn pesky, pot smoking, horned up counselors who we see are playing guitar and doing a sing along by the fireplace. We didn't see two young adult counselors named Barry and Claudette sneak off from the group to. To take the skin boat to Tuna town.

16:07 Yeah, you're gonna like that one. That's a good one. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I beg to differ. You don't like take the skin boat to Tuna town? No. Anything that has to do with the word tuna. Oh, I heard another one rubbing pissers. Rubbing pit. I'll take rubbing pissers over. Taking anything to anything called Tuna town. We get. If it. If it smells like tuna town, you were in the wrong town. I mean, she's a camp. Maybe she doesn't have the best hygiene set up. It was the fifties. Yeah. We get our first pov shot from the killer, where we see this person just sneaking around the camp being weird. Honestly, when the counselors are sitting around the fire singing along with the guitar. I guess. I guess serious church camp vibes here. I did, too, but I think they did that on purpose because they go back to the fifties for the beginning of this movie to show kind of the difference between that generation in the fifties and that generation in the 1980. Wait, seventies. Yeah, I was, you know, also just maybe we got the story all wrong and the killer is really, like a Satan worshiping Jesus hater.

17:17 We don't know. This could be christian camp. We don't know. Yeah, they were. They were. They went off to go pray, not go to tuna town. Yeah. So we then see Barry and Claudette head into a storage room where they set out a blanket on the floor and begin to make out. We then get the famous music as we switch to the killer's pov as they walk up the stairs of the storage room and come upon Barry and. Claudette, Barry's hand deep in a thick rug. The days before Razor were that good. Noticing that they have been caught, the pair quickly tried to button up their shirts, while Barry tries to play it off as they were just messing around. But before he can even finish his sentence, he gets brutally stabbed in the stomach.

18:10 That is our first kill of this massive franchise. It is this fucking loser. He is a fucking loser. And it's not even a great kill. No, it's not. I give that award to the first present day kill that we get into here in a couple minutes. So Claudette then starts freaking out and attempts to back away, but soon runs into a bunch of junk scattered up behind her. Claudette tries to find an escape, but unfortunately for her, the only exit is blocked by the killer and she pretty quickly gets murdered. She stumbled over a fucking box of bibles. So it kind of looks like she's what she's doing. It looks like what you would do in an earthquake where you put your arms out and you're like trying to. You're going side to side, trying to hold your balance. Like, that's what she does. It's like, what are you doing? Vertigo. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

19:02 No, Vertigo was rampant in the fifties. Probably all that post world War two pTSD that passed on to the kids. Oh, I was thinking it was like all those, like, going to the. The pharmacy and getting a soda pop. Oh, not the soda pop. Too much soda pop. Not the cocaine filled coke. Yeah, yeah. You gotta get the bottle of cocaine that you just get from the farm. Back when they didn't even have to snort their coke. I just drink it. I don't know. That could. That was probably before the fifties. I don't know. We then get the famous title card, a very large 3d looking Friday the 13th. That looks fucking awesome. Does look good. It is. I put it down as a. What a great fucking intro for 1980 with the glass breaking and the 3d. Friday the 13th. Go ahead and give a warning too, as we get into this movie that Tom Savini did the effects on this.

19:56 And every time we cover a movie that he did effects on, it's a half of the episode is praising his effects. So there's that. Yeah, I got. I got a really interesting connection, actually with Tom Savini way down the bottom of this episode in the facts. So they blow his own head off at some point in the background. We just miss it. That'd be cool. But no, it's not. That's not it. Old maniac. The shotgun to the. I think that may be the greatest Tom Savini effect when he blew his own head off with the shotgun. It's fucking legendary. It is great. So we then jump to present day, which is June 13, 1980, where we meet a young girl named Annie, who is hitchhiking to a soon to be reopening of Camp Crystal Lake, where she has taken a job as the cook for the camp. We then see her arrive in a small town where she walks into a local diner and asks the residents how far away the camp is. We immediately can tell that this puts the town people on edge as we see everyone go silent and stares at her in surprise. The cashier then informs her it is about 20 miles away, when then a local truck driver named Enos. What kind of fucking name is Enos? I missed the Enos name. His name is Enos.

21:11 Which is. We'll just. We'll just, you know, talk about. The elephant in the room is very similar to anus. It runs with penis. What do you mean? That's what you got? My first thought was, why would you name your kid something that rhymes with penis? It's like they. They combined penis and. Well, when I typed it out, I was like, that's almost spelled exactly like anus. Yeah, well, why would you. Why is that a name worse than being named Dick? Like, you're literally. Your parents mixed the word anus and penis. Anyway, Enos then says that he is heading in that direction and offers to give Annie a ride halfway to the camp while on his route, while Enos and Annie are walking to the truck, an older man.

21:58 Looks like you're saying anus now. Maybe they named him after a weenus part of your elbow. I I don't know. I mean, he's old, so he had to be born in, like, the twenties. Maybe that was a name in the thirties. I don't know. Maybe it was a name back in the day, like, a popular name. World War one. PTSD. Broken brain. Let's name our kid anus penis. So, while Enos and Annie are walking to the truck, an older man who looks quite disheveled, suddenly grabs Annie by the arm, asking if she's going to camp blood. We then find out that this is crazy Ralph, the town drunk, and nobody takes him seriously. Enos then tells him to shut up after he and Annie continue to, trying to hold it in. I looked away for you. He's in the next, like, five minutes, so we got to get through this part. It's funny, I didn't even. I didn't. He was such a little character.

23:00 I didn't actually ever have to take a note on his name, so I missed that he was named Anus Penis. So they walk to his truck. Ralph then tells Annie that she will never make it out alive and proclaims that the camp has a death curse. During the ride with, he attempts to get Annie to quit the job at the camp before it's too late. After she refuses, he then tells her a little bit of the history of the cursed camp Crystal Lake, including the two counselors we seen murdered in 58, the boy drowning in 57, which becomes a super important event in the franchise. Then there was like a bunch of fires, and finally in 1962, they attempted to reopen the camp again until it was discovered the water was bad.

23:52 So this is the first time I've actually really paid attention to the dialogue that goes on here and realized that somebody has, has spent quite a few years trying to make sure that this camp doesn't open back up. I mean, you're talking about murders, multiple fires, cabin fires, the water being poisoned. This has been going on for somebody put a lot of work into this. Now, I actually have a theory and I think this is really important and no one ever talks about it. Everybody always wonders why Jason somehow comes back to life as a full grown adult after drowning as a boy. And while he is this, like undead, unstoppable, pretty much like unkillable creature. What if it's because of the water? The water was bad. It was just like some nuclear waste in the water. Well, I think whatever happened to the water, she did sabotaging the camp opening.

24:56 So, yeah, maybe she put some uranium in there. I mean, she could have technically not done anything. The water. We don't know. Maybe little kid Jason got bit by a radioactive zombie. Radioactive fish. Radioactive zombie fishe. Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Age 24. If you want this idea, you know where to send the check. Okay. But yeah, I mean, no one ever, you know, that's like a thing that no one ever like, can figure out is how. How is Jason like this? And then I was watching this and they were like, the water's bad. And I'm like, well, he died in the water. What a coincidence. You've never paid attention to that dialogue of specifically the water being bad, which means she, she definitely sabotaged the water with something. Even a dead body floating in there is not going to throw an entire lake. And this is a big lake.

25:48 So you would really have to seriously dump some nuclear waste in this thing. I mean, I, you know, my thought was she used some type of mineral, like some, some like, high amounts of like magnesium or iron or something, where they tested it. Good God. It had to be a lot, though. It would. Well, whatever she did had to be a lot. She shit in it for years. Yeah. High amounts of fecal waste in here. Oh, right. Yeah. I don't know, man. Maybe something happened with the fish. It's this tuna town. But, yeah, it's a good point. I know. I know. When this movie was done, the idea of Jason in the future was never a thing. It's never a thought. But it is a really cool thing to kind of piece together that.

26:35 What if whatever she did to that water is what end up causing Jason to be this, like, unkillable machine? Yeah. I mean, you know, she could have studied voodoo under. Under an old jamaican guy that lives in Chicago. Yeah, in a day. Dewey, Dembele, that shit you don't know very well. That's a possibility. Charles Lee Ray did it. Maybe she was friends with Charles Lee Ray. Could have been related. Maybe they did something to the water. They did a whole thing to the water. The lightning struck the water and he's like, look, there's, like, voodoo. Fucking radioactive voodoo all over this fucking thing. They'll never open this camp up. I 100% believe that she had a voodoo for dummies book.

27:19 We don't know. Yeah. Anyway, this is where we also find out that Annie's boss, Steve Christie, has been up at the camp for a year, attempting to restore it in order to reopen it. Even after all of this, Annie still refuses to quit. And Enos, basically, this basic, I am not going to be able to get through this with this fucking guy's name. I got to get out of this part of the movie. Oh, my God. He's not in the whole movie. Zenith's penis would be a hard one to get through a whole movie with. So he basically, he calls her a dumbass. A little later on, we see Ina stop at a crossroads. At about the halfway point, Annie jumps out as they share a sincere goodbye. Enos truck goes one way and Annie heads the other. She only got ten more miles to go. A long walk.

28:07 Ana's penis went the back way out of the wood. Next up, we meet three of our main characters. We have Jack, who is pretty much your all american guy, Jack's girlfriend, Marcy, and their friend Ned, who is, I guess, kind of like the jokester. And he also apparently has, like, a big crush on Marcy. Seems very obvious to me. I hate Ned. I do, too. Ned. Ned is the Shelley. He is the Shelly. Yeah. He inspired Shelly, more than likely. He sucks and he's lazy as fuck. It's like, I thought we had two weeks. He's already putting us to work. Like, he thought he was just going to hang out for two weeks and get paid. So, yeah, these three then pull into Camp Crystal Lake. For the first time and meet their new boss, Steve Christie, who immediately puts their asses to work. I don't even think they stand there for two minutes and he's already got some shit for them to do. During this introduction, we also meet our girl Alice Hardy, who has been at the camp helping Steve fix it up for some time already. And you can tell she's getting tired of Steve's bossy attitude. We then get this really weird scene where Alice is fixing a gutter and Steve walks over. He picks up her sketchbook and just starts, like, going through it. He compliments her work where she then hits him with a passive aggressive comment about how basically he works her too much and she hardly gets time to sketch anything. But that's not what makes the scene weird.

29:37 So Steve then starts hitting on Alice despite the fact that he is obviously way older than her. It's definitely creepy. And Alice tells him that she isn't sure she's going to stay much longer. And Steve then responds by touching her like a weirdo and asking her to give it one more chance and to give it one more week before she says, before she decides. Yeah, Steve is trying to stuff her gutter for sure. Well, the way he acts here, like, when she's going to leave, it's like, it's like an abusive husband when he. Thinks his wife leaving being the last house on the left.

30:18 It's off those pipes. Yeah, it's like he, he already has, like, he's like, set on her and she's like, well, you know, I think I'm gonna leave. Yeah. When somebody says, like, hey, I'm thinking about leaving, doing a super creepy caress of their hair is probably not the thing to do. Yeah, I'd be like, you know what? Nevermind. I'm not gonna give it to Friday. I'm gonna fucking leave this very second. Well, the look on his face is really creepy too. Like, you're leaving? What? It's like, yeah, I'm gonna quit. Because, like, she does work for him. Yeah, I'm gonna quit. I'm gonna leave. And he's like, wait. Yeah, it's like, I got it. I got a daughter your age. She's a bitch. Yeah, he's way older, too. Man, this, it's this really creepy scene.

31:02 So we still have a couple more main characters here, and I'm gonna run through them real quick. So we kind of know who everybody is. So we have already met Steve Christie, the boss of the operation, Alice, who's like the main counselor and kind of like Steve's right hand woman, Marcy, who is dating Jack and has just arrived. Our all american guy, Jack. Then we have Ned the jokester. Annie the cook, who still hasn't arrived yet. And finally, Brenda and Bill, who it seems like they arrived around the same time as Alice. And that is our first set of Friday the 13th camp counselors ever. And they'll never make it to actually be camp counselors now. They're just, they're just camp maintenance people. Maintenance people. No, I was respectable for fishing. I was thinking, Steve's putting, putting them all to work. I'm like, you know, he's probably, you know how expensive camp is even back then.

31:59 And you put in inflation. It was probably expensive back then, too. And he's got all these down payments to raise all this money to send these kids that are supposed to be starting camp in two weeks. And then it's like a camp that's, like, cursed. And they tried to reopen for years and years and years and can't do it. He's probably freaking out. It's like, I got to get this shit ready. Yeah. This is also the first time that I realized that Steve Christie's parents obviously own, have owned this camp for quite some time. Because later on, a certain character mentions that they were he, that they are friends with the Christie's. Meaning, like, the family and hint, they worked for the Christie's long ago.

32:44 Yeah. And now you've got. And then, and then our boy Enos even says, like, he's gonna go broke and crazy like his parents did with that place. So this has been in the family for some time. And I guess he was like, I don't know, maybe he's like a rich kid and he's like, I need something to do. Seems like they, they went broke probably by 62 after the fires and the murders and stuff. And then they've now died and he's inherited it. And he's like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna fucking make a bucket. I gotta get rich somehow. We then see Steve get in his jeep and get ready to head into town for the rest of the day to pick up supplies. He gives the gang their orders of what he once done while he is gone and informs them that a big storm is coming tonight and to get as much stuff done as possible.

33:31 So right after this, man, this is, like, where Brenda is setting up the archery range and that fucking idiot Ned almost kills her with an arrow. What a dumbass. Yeah. Yeah. He is a fucking idiot. This is actually. I've never noticed this is kind of foreshadowing. It is. I would fuck him up, man. If somebody shot an arrow that close to me and thought it was funny, I'd be like, we, we must fight. Yeah. Nothing personal. No, it would be personal. I just have to draw the line to know that I'll fuck you up when you do stupid shit like that. Would, I would have to. Yeah. If somebody shot an arrow less than a foot away from where I was standing. Yeah, we would. We would be, one of us would be leaving that fucking camp in a body bag. Possibly in a body bag. So we then jump back to Annie, who is still on her journey across the world, when we suddenly see a dark green jeep pull up next to her to give her a ride.

34:27 We didn't see her throw her back in the back and eagerly hop in the passenger side as she says she is heading to Camp Crystal Lake. Now, this is important because we never hear or see the driver of this vehicle. And like I said, I've been dying to ask you a question about this movie, and it's gonna, it's gonna have to do with this right here. I can't ask it yet, but it does with this right here. Huh? All right. I know they're hauling ass. They are. Like, I'm pretty sure her, when we're about to get to her, jumping out of this jeep would have, would have been enough at this speed.

35:08 He's going like 45 miles an hour through dirt roads. Yeah, they're getting it. So we then see this jeep just hauling ass around these dirt roads, and Annie is just talking away, telling the driver how excited she is to be working at the camp. And it's always been her dream to work with kids, I guess. And all of a sudden, we see the jeep past the entrance to the camp. This immediately puts Annie on alert. We then begin to hear the famous music as the jeep continues down the road with Annie asking to be let out. Realizing the driver has no plans on stopping while close to the camps entrance, Annie decides to make a move and jump from the moving vehicle. We then see her hit the ground, and as she is attempting to get back up, the jeep slows to a stop and backs up to Annie's position.

35:56 Annie then gets up and runs off into the woods with the killer chasing behind her. We don't really get to see much of the killer. We just see a few, like, quick glimpses of some pants and some legs and, like, a flannel shirt. Just when Annie thinks that she may have gotten away, she falls to the ground. But when she looks up, the killer is standing right in front of her. As she stands up, the killer then slams her against a tree and slashes her throat with a large hunting knife. We then see Annie's big, awesome throat gash begin to pour blood as she falls to the ground. Man, this was such, such a great time. And the growth of practical effects. This throat slit is great. Looks good. I count this as the first legit, present day Friday the 13th kill we get, and it looks fucking fantastic. Looks good.

36:51 I will say, you know, talking about Annie, the look she has on her face as she's dying is the same look that I have when I have a bad sore throat and I drink something cold. Like, yeah, look, go back and like, watch her. The face she makes is not I'm dying or my throat's cut face. It's like, oh, that burns. It's, it's. I feel like she could have did a little bit better of a job. With her dying, but she didn't get a very big part, so she's like, fuck it. I think if I remember correctly, she didn't actually audition for the film. She worked for, like, one of the production people in her office. And the lady came in and looked at her one day and was like, you're gonna be a camp counselor. Yeah. And then just walked out. They talk about it a little bit on the camp.

37:40 Crystal lake memories. I'm pretty sure you're right. I. Yeah, she's not an actual, I don't even think she has an IMDb page or anything. I think she, I don't think she ever did any more acting. You know, she, she's pretty good in the movie for the little bit. She is. Like when she's going through the town and she's like playing this like kinda naive, happy go lucky, like 1819 year old going off to work. Yeah, I have no issue with her. Except for her, her face she makes when she dies. Yeah, well, I'd probably have a bad time making that. I just got my throat slit face too. So next up, we see the gang doing some swimming in the lake, cutting up and having a good time, you know, before they all get brutally murdered.

38:28 And while this is going on, we then get that famous pov again where we see that after murdering Annie, the killer has made their way to the camp and is watching the group from the COVID of the wood line. I must say, even though it was in the eighties, you know, back in the day, and there's some rough hairstyles, this bathing suit. Scenes. Not, not too, not too bad. Well, I do got a complaint about this bathing suit scene. Really? I did not actually, like, I, like, remember seeing Alice and being like, whoa, Alice is hot. That's not my complaint at all. No, the chicks look great, but the seventies, late seventies swimming underwear, as they call. You wouldn't call them swimming trunks they put on these men. I've never known. Oh, God. Yeah. When they are laying down and Kevin Bacon is standing beside him, it's kind of weird looking. It is not kind of weird. Look at his wiener.

39:21 Is that. I'm just going to say it like, I'm kind of mad that I got a fucking, like, straight shot of Kevin Bacon's weiner. Like, they might as well put saran wrap on him. Yeah, there's a, like, crotch shot really close up on the screen. Yeah. You know, I'm surprised for him. I, you know, I would have been like, well, I. You gotta let me get this thing a little bigger. May I stuff a sock in my trunks before I get going here? Yeah. Like, I at least need like half chub or something because this is, it's not, it's very quick, but I've never noticed it in the movie. And I'm like, if I'm Kevin Bacon, I'm like, can't y'all shoot that some other way? Yeah, like, why does my dick have to be right in the camera is. Right next to, like, who is it?

40:16 It's one of the characters. She's sitting there and, like, right next to her head. Yeah. And there's just a dick next to her. So I guess generations of people have seen Kevin Bacon's, I don't know, like 20 year old penis. You know what? Sean Cunningham's like, this kid's gonna be a fucking star. I'm gonna get a dick before everybody. It's just like whoever shot those naked pictures of Marilyn Monroe before they were sold to Playboy, before she got famous. Yeah. Also, Steve gave these motherfuckers a list of shit to do while he's gone and they ain't done a damn thing but have fun. So that happens when you hire kids. So later on we see Ned dressed as a Native American acting like a dumbass in front of Marcy and Brenda when suddenly a cop on a motorcycle pulls up wanting to speak to them. We then get the rest of the teens walk out and of course the cop wants to know where the weed is. This fucking cop sucks. He's a straight up douchebag. He's one of them guys who takes being a cop in a small town where, like, nothing happens, way too serious. This guy's fucking line where he's like, do you smoke? And he's like, no, that, that, uh, that gives you cancer. And he's like, don't, don't play with me, son. He's like, you know the columbian gold. The grass, the hash, the weed. You dig it. Like he, when he finished it off with dig it, I was like, how the fuck did this guy keep a straight face?

41:41 All his dialogue is bad. How did anybody keep a straight face? Yeah, it's pretty, pretty awful. And his motorcycle riding skills. I have always watched this movie and always said to myself, this guy cannot ride a motorcycle. And I watched the camp Crystal lake nightmare, which are Camp Crystal Lake memories, which I've seen a million times, but I actually never paid attention to it. He talks about this. He had never rode a motorcycle. You can tell. He wrecked the motorcycle. You can tell. Yeah, it's. I don't even know why they put him riding off in the movie. It was so bad. I mean, you know, I ride motorcycles and I will say riding a motorcycle in, like, gravel is difficult for somebody. Who'S never rode a motorcycle.

42:26 Probably extremely difficult. Extremely. I'm surprised he didn't wreck it, like, every time he did that scene. Yeah. I I would have just been like, you know, we're just not going to put him riding on, like, we'll show him right out of the shop. They got a cop car. Just have them drive the car out there. Yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna jump back real quick, though. I do want to say shout out to the sacrificial snake that gave its life for the birth of this amazing franchise, Friday the 13th. Yeah, that really sucks that they killed the snake for real. It does. You know, that was Tom Savini's idea. But I think it was a different time too. People were like, excuse me, excuse Tom Savini. It's not his fault. It was a different time. I mean, have you seen. Have you seen fucking cannibal holocaust like that? That is fucked up. Yeah, but this, you know, I. It sucks.

43:20 But, you know, I wonder if it was the sacrifice to the cinema gods, maybe sacrifice to life. And that's why this movie ended up being just booming way bigger than anybody ever thought. It was a blood ritual, you know? Yeah, that's what it was. It was. It was a sacrifice so we could have adjacent Bordeaux. I actually seen the other day that the, the goat that played black Phillip is, was so difficult that he cannot no longer do films, and he has been moved to a farm in the middle of nowhere. You don't remember talking about that? No. Like, how hard he was to work with? I know. I remember bringing it up, but this is the first time I got an update that no one could ever work with him after that.

44:04 And it's because he's like a famous goat now and then. They were like, famous or not, this motherfucker's got to go to a farm. Somebody get black Phillip the fuck out of here. Like, he actually killed somebody on set. Oh, I need a shirt that. With black Phillips picture on it. This is set. Black Phillip free. Free black Phillip. Free him from the farm. We should sell on our show. We should get a shop and sell those shirts. So the cop then informs everyone that the real reason he came out to the camp is because he is looking for crazy Ralph, who got drunk and was planning to head out to the camp to warn the teens. After informing the cop that they haven't seen any crazy Ralph's wandering around, the officer then gets a call on his radio informing him that the chief wants him back in town. Never leave the chief waiting.

44:54 God, that was so cringey. Right after he leaves, we see Alice cleaning up the kitchen, and when she goes to put some pots and pans in the pantry, crazy Ralph pops out of the door, informing her that he is a messenger of God and they are doomed if they stay at the camp. And also, Crystal Lake has a death curse, so all the curses to have the death curse is the worst. Yeah. This guy literally broke in this house and hid in the pantry for a while, apparently. Yeah. So at this point in the movie, we have two main suspects. We have crazy Ralph, which is just obviously. I think it's obvious that he's a red herring. And then the other is kind of the harbinger, too. We have. We have Steve, who also drives a green jeep. Yes. Who we noticed somebody gets killed from being in a green jeep. Yeah. The green jeep is a big, big puzzle piece. Yeah. That is our two. Two suspects thus far. Yeah. As Alice then begins to back away from him, we then see some of the others run to see what all the commotion is about. After a few more warnings, crazy Ralph then flees the cabin, totally not looking suspicious at all. You know, I do got a little respect for Ralph, though. He may be the town drunk, but he stays in a kind of raggedy suit.

46:17 Not that many crazy drunks put that much effort into looking respectable. Also, he knows that there's somebody murdering people out here. And he rode his bike by himself 20 miles. 20 miles to warn some. Some teenagers. Hey, you guys need to go. I don't want to see you die for two minutes. He's like, I got a ride. 20 miles there. I got to find a place to hide until the coppers leave. I mean, the guy. I got to warn them, and then I got to ride my bike out of there. The guy has to have a good soul, like, he did all that because he didn't want to see some kids die. And they call him. And they call him crazy Ralph. Good, good guy. Call him caring Ralph.

46:59 Yeah. Later on in the evening, Jack and his girlfriend Marcy are hanging out by the lake, spending some quality time together. And then we jump to Ned, who is being a sad emo boy, while creeping on Jack and Marcy. God, I hate this guy. And after a bit of moping around, he spots someone walking into his cabin. He calls out to this person, but gets no response. He then follows them inside, and we get left hanging because then we jump back to Jack and Marcy. Not even the cameraman, want to follow Nick. So this is where Marcy starts telling Jack about a recurring dream she has where this guy is raining blood.

47:41 And while they are talking about this, we then see a serious thunderstorm roll in. And as it begins raining, Jack and Marcy quickly get up and run into the cabin. And as they get inside, it's obvious that Jack is ready to conquer the pink forest as they both begin to undress. That one's not as bad. No, that one's not as bad. It's very thick forest and night, probably. So back in the main cabin, we see Alice, Brenda, and Bill hanging out. It's seriously storming at this point. And Brenda decides they should all play a game of strip monopoly. I bet Bill was like, oh, this is how threesomes happen. Yeah, that's what I put in my notes. Lucky Bill, strip monopoly with you and two other chicks your age that are attractive. Those are hot. Yes. That's a win. Brenda coming in clutch with the ideas. Yeah. And she's obviously feeling a little. A little horny. Yeah, it's gonna say it.

48:45 You don't. You don't. You don't request playing strip poker or monopoly, which I'd never even heard of. You're not, you're not trying to get naked if you're not open to something. She's like, I'm feeling Bill, and this. This Alice girl's kind of cute. You know, we can get a little threesome happening. This is how we get it going. And Bill, if he had the fucking balls, he's. Bill's a good guy. He's. He is a good guy. He is the good guy of the movie. Yeah, but he just. He doesn't have the instincts to capitalize on a threesome. On the threesome, he just didn't have it. Now I was yelling at the DV. I've seen this a million times. So we then jump back over to Jack and Marcy and while they are engaged in their passionate lovemaking, the camera pans up to reveal Ned with his throat slit, lying dead on the top bunk.

49:38 Ned was annoying. So not really a devastating loss here. Yeah, what's really annoying is that we didn't get to see Ned get his throat cut. That was annoying. But it did set up this awesome cinematography shot. I did want to give a shout out to the cinematography and the director for that because we get this awesome, like, them making love and then the camera goes up and there he is, dead on the top. Punk. I like it. Really cool setup shot. I'm glad they killed him kind of early on too. They had to deal with more of his antics. They should have killed him first. Yeah, yeah. They should have had him hiking. And Annie already at the thing. Well, you notice, like Alice, when she's inside, she's right before they play strip poker, she's worried about. She's worried about everybody but Ned in storm, the one person she doesn't mention, think she likes. And then here, in a little bit when they go looking for them, she doesn't mention Ned until she calls out everybody else's name three times.

50:36 Ned is the last. But nobody gives a fuck about Neddeenen. Yeah, they're like, hopefully Ned went off and died. I'm pretty sure the only reason he's there is because Jack and Marcy needed a ride to the camp because they probably don't have cars. Yeah, well, yeah, I feel like they could have just like, somebody like that. They could have just been like, I'll give you some weed. Give us a ride up there. Obviously he was getting paid. They might have tried that. And then they. He was like, well, why give me some weed when I can just work with you guys? He's that guy. Yeah. Fuck. And then I would have called. I would have called Steve and I'd have been like, look, man, this guy wants to work. I know you need extra hands, but he's just. He's gonna cause more work. Nah, Steve would hire him. He needs as much fucking I'm fucking desperate.

51:22 So post coitus, Marcy declares that she's got a pee and gets up to go to the bathroom. Now remember, there are no bathrooms in the cabin, so she has to run outside. And while she is gone, we see Jack laying on the bed, relaxing as he lice up a joint. And right after he exhales that sweet, sweet chronic smoke, a couple of drops of blood land on his face. And as he wipes it off and looks up to the bunk above him, suddenly a hand comes from underneath the bed and grabs his forehead, holding him in place. I do want to bring up, before we go any further, a couple drops of blood, like Marcy's dream where it's raining blood.

52:05 Hmm. Yeah, cool. And never, never put that together. I just thought, it's a camp blood reference. We then see a motherfucking arrowhead come bursting through his neck from behind. And that is a legendary kill. It is a legendary kill. And there's been quite a few movies, even a couple we have covered, that has tried to remake this kill or have remade this kill. This. I mean, poor Jack, man. You just got wade lighting up a j and boom, you got a fucking arrow through your neck. Kind of a good way to go out, though. I mean. I mean, good. Good way to lead up to going out. But getting stabbed, like, it was quick. Yeah, I'm not sure how quick it was.

52:53 Like actually to him, he may have, like, I don't know, maybe he lost consciousness. I will say one cool thing about the practical effects on this island is the pump that they had hooked up to his neck, the blood pump actually malfunctioned. Actually came off. Yeah. Yeah. One of Tom Savini's assistants had to manually blow the blood, which is why the blood actually splashes up. It wasn't supposed to be that much, but it actually was one of those mistakes where it came out, where it looked better than it would have and it was a first take. First take shot. Yeah. Another interesting thing about this kill is the way they had to do it. So they had to build the special bed for Kevin Bacon. He had to kind of get in there at an angle. And then Tom Sabini and his assistant, they actually went in and had to build that, like, shoulders and neck. They had to build it right there.

53:47 And because that took so long, if the scene got fucked up, they'd have to spend hours rebuilding a new one. And luckily his assistant, when they were under there doing it, seen it come loose and he was able to save the scene. And they got it in the first take. Yes. Not only save it, but it came out better. Came out better? According to Tom Savini, it came out more blood than what was supposed to. And it was at the perfect time where it kind of looked like an artery was, you know, busted and was spraying blood for a second. Only Tom Savini is so good at effects, a fuck up can be an improvement. Yeah. So we then jump back over to Marcy, who is using the bathroom. And as she is finishing up, she starts to hear a sound like someone else is in there with her.

54:34 She comes out to investigate, but finds the place empty at first. She then hears a loud thump coming from the showers. And as she is looking around in there, we see the silhouette of an axe rise up behind her. At this point, she kind of just gives up thinking that she is just imagining things. And as she turns around, bam. She gets an axe straight to the face. And that is a wrap on Marcy. Great makeup here. This looks awesome. Yeah, I agree. Like everything Tom Savini does, it came out a fucking masterpiece. But I will shout out the cinematography for the shadow of the axe coming up. The way they shot that, the direction of that was set up really good. But also, this scene is very unsettling.

55:23 Could they drag this out? Yeah. You. You. You think she's gonna die a couple times. And then when you like maniac. Yeah. That's a good, good comparison. When you finally think, okay, like, you know, maybe nothing is gonna happen, you see the fucking axe. Yeah. Perfect timing. It actually kind of sets up another kill later on, too. That is, it kind of makes it a little better, a little more interesting. We then jump back on over to the main cabin where Alice, Brenda and Bill are very, very slowly getting naked. I must say, Alice is really digging this game. Like, she's into this because she's winning. I think she wants this threesome to go down. I I think Brenda wants the threesome. I think Alice just really liked winning. She even says she's like, I really like this game. I mean, she's basically watching two people on a right and left get naked. She's into it. She.

56:20 She definitely was a child of the seventies. She's ready to experiment. She's like, let's do it. Yeah. There was so much controversy about them trying to say, like, you know, this was like an anti woman movie and stuff like that. And back in the day, Adrian King actually came out and said, you know, Alice, a lot of people look at Al, especially people that criticize the movie as Alice is this final girl, this good girl? But if you actually pay attention to the movie, like, she, you know, flirts with guys, she smokes weed, she drinks. Like, she's really not an innocent girl at all. I don't know where that comes from in this. And that's a really good point, because Alice is not that, like, I'm a virgin and, you know, she's playing strip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she's definitely not this, like, straight edge.

57:12 Like, if you actually watch the movie, especially Alice in detail to this movie, like, she likes to party and get fucked up and fuck as much as everybody else. Well, another point about that, because that was a big thing after this movie came out, and I've never understood it. And the women who worked on this movie also do not understand it. Yeah. Alice is. Is a strong character, too. She's a very independent character. Like, she clearly makes her own decisions and does what she wants to do. So she's not a straight edge. She's not, like, a weak, submissive woman. I just don't get that, how this is, like, an anti woman movie. I've never understood that narrative, and neither have the people who made the movie.

57:54 Yeah, I will say, man, she does a lot of, like, facial expressions that reminds me of Alison Hannigan. They have a lot of similar, like, facial movements. I tell you this. I may or may not agree with you because I don't know who the fuck that is because I can't remember names to save my life. I forgot my own name this morning. Oh. She was in Buffy the vampire slayer. She was. She's known for the. I stuck a flute up my pussy. Okay. Yeah, you got me the one time at Bandcamp. Yeah. I tried to. I tried to not start with that. No, she. She is. When I was younger, I found her very not attractive at all. Oh, she's super cute when I got older, man. She is. She's just got that, like, that cuteness about her that is.

58:46 And I don't know if it's, like, her personality, it is very hard to pinpoint, but there's something special about her that a lot of. A lot of girls don't have. Yeah. I always thought she was really cute when I seen her on Buffy, but then when, you know, I got older. I was like, mom. No, she's actually, like, pretty hot. Yeah. She always plays these characters with a lot of personality. Like, she's. She has. She. She's a very funny personality. She's kind of quirky. She plays quirky sometimes, but it comes off as attractive. It does, it does. She's, she's special. I don't know, I'm not obsessed with her, but she's just got something different from what a lot of girls have. So anyway, as they are sitting around the table, we see the cabin door burst open from the wind.

59:36 Bill jumps up and pulls it shut. Just then, Brenda conveniently remembers that she left her cabin windows open and says good night to Alice and Bill as she runs into the storm. Boom. I call bullshit on this. She was down to her bra and panties and she knew one more roll of the dice, them titties was coming out. Yeah. How you gonna suggest playing a strip game and then roll out when you are conveniently down to your bra and panties? I don't know if you noticed, but she had the least amount of clothes on. Yeah, she was losing. Yeah. Don't, don't, you know, step forward and suggest playing a strip game and then back out when, when it's time to take the clothes off. She bailed on the threesome. Like if you're gonna play, you gotta play. If you're gonna be the one to suggest the game, you definitely gotta play. Like you think that normally the one that suggests playing the game, it wants to get naked.

1:00:36 Yeah. Yeah, she bailed on purpose that. Oh, I forgot, I left my fucking windows open and it's been raining for 2 hours. But I just noticed that. Yeah, bullshit. Yeah Brenda, you suck for that. We then jump on over to the diner and I just want to point out, we get the outside shot of the parking lot first and we see that green jeep we see Annie got into earlier just sitting there. So this is what we're saying earlier, is Steve the killer? Oh, also I paused this movie to kind of write some stuff at this scene. And I got this fucking hilarious picture. We actually, huh, yeah, I got a, I got a point to make about her fucking waitress. What the I, yeah, I got a. Point to make about the waitress. But going back to the jeep, we actually see Steve's green jeep earlier in the movie.

1:01:27 It's just a lot closer. Is way closer. Yeah. So it's hard to tell, but if you look really close, it is the same green jeep. It doesn't have the top but on either. Yeah. Now is we get, I mean obviously if it's gonna rain, you're gonna put the top on your jeep. Now we get a better, a better view of it. Now going back to the waitress, is that the same fucking lady from the remake of the Texas Chainsaw massacre? Old lady that takes the baby. The old big lady. I think that's her. I could be. And I remember watching that movie and thinking, God, how did. How is this lady an actress? Maybe she's known for being in movies or movies back in the day, so they.

1:02:09 Somebody brought her in on that. Oh, no. Have to look and see point. Wanted to look that up. I thought maybe you would know. She definitely looks like that lady. I had to take that. Cheers. Because she looked like she just ate a warhead. Yeah. And it was her just standing there, like, counting money or something. She ate a baby. But basically all that happens in this scene is Steve pays for his food and despite the storm, he gets in his jeep and drives back to the camp. Next up, we see Brenda arrive at the bathroom cabin where she starts to brush her teeth and get ready for bed. When she then looks over towards the shower area after hearing a noise, you would think there would be a ton of fucking blood right there. Considering somebody very recently got an axe to the face. There is fine. Yeah, this killer is really good at cleaning.

1:03:00 Yeah. I will actually look for blood on the ground. And it's hard to tell because you could see their wet footprints, but there's no blood. Back to the waitress real quick. So it's not the woman from the Texas Chainsaw massacre remake. This is actually Sally Ann golden, and she died in 1982. Oh, well, she wasn't even close. Yeah, she died two years later. Yeah, she died very soon after the making of this movie. Oh, well, I guess it'd be like three years. This is 79. Came out in 80. This was the last, biggest big movie that she did. Oh, well, rest in peace to you, waitress lady. Yes. So now you should feel great about taking an awful screenshot of her. I feel like she's laughing from heaven. So while she is brushing her teeth, we then get a quick glimpse of the killer's hand as they move the shower curtain. As she is finishing up, Brenda then hears another noise from the shower area.

1:03:54 But she's like, nah, fuck it, I'm leaving. It's not worth my time. Honestly, man, this would be my reaction. I'm not investigating shit by myself. I'm out. I don't really care enough. Especially, and you know this from personal experience, once I'm tired, I'm done. I'm done with whatever the fuck's going on. I'm going to bed. I'm out. Yeah, yeah, I agree. And I think coming up here in a minute when she starts hearing a voice call out to her, I was like, hmm, this place is either haunted or there's something going on out there. But I'm not going out in the rain to fucking figure out what it is, you know, what's going to sleep. What's funny here is this killer, like, if you, if you, if you changed camera views and you were watching the killer, this killer keeps making these noises, trying to move the shower curtain all to, like, lure Brenda back there and she doesn't fall for it. And the killer's like, come on. Come on, bitch. Come on. I'm moving the shower curtain. Come on. You know what? Brenda is preoccupied thinking about how embarrassed she was for suggesting playing strip monopoly and then chickening out right before she had to get naked. She's like, they know. They know. They know. My fucking window wasn't open. That was dumb. I didn't think of something better than that.

1:05:10 The killer trying to lure her in, not being successful at multiple things. It just reminds me of something from, like, scary movie when he's, like, hiding behind the curtain and she's like, I can see your legs with his feet. Kicking on the couch. So next we see Steve's jeep break down. And very conveniently, a cop pulls up right as this happens. And Steve asks for a ride back to the camp, to which the officer agrees. So now we see that the killer has followed Brenda back to her cabin after she failed to give a shit about the noises in the shower room. We get this legendary pov shot that I think a lot of the Friday the 13th films are known for.

1:05:53 But this becomes kind of missing in the later movies, and I really wish they'd bring this back. Yeah, the pov is really what made this movie so special is we got a lot of perspective of the killer. I could be wrong, but I don't think there's a single pov shot in, like, say, the remake. No, I don't do any of that. No, they do. They do some, some pov shots in the movies that followed this. Yeah. But they eventually stopped. I want to say they probably stop around, I don't know, maybe like three, four or something. They, I know they have it in two. I know they do. So I think it goes on a little later. I know this was a big thing, a big shot that was used a lot in the eighties, and a lot of it influenced from this movie. I want to say it got less and less as the movies went on. But I think when new Line took over and we got, yeah, we got Jason goes to hell, everything from that point on, we don't get any pov shots. I think it's one of the. I think it's one of the staples of the franchise, though. It's. And I really miss it. I really wish it would come back. I hope when they do the show that they bring that back, because that they really need to bring that back. That and the music, you know, when the killers around, like, they need to bring a. That's another. It's another thing.

1:07:19 That new line lost was a lot of the music. Yeah. Actually lost the name. They could. They bought the character rights, but they didn't buy the name rights, which is why after Manhattan, they're not called Friday the 13th anymore. They're just always based around Jason. But you can definitely tell from all the way up to Manhattan. And then when you start it, Jason goes to hell. The feel is much different under new lawn than it was under Paramount. Yeah. That's another reason. Kind of why when we did dream warriors, I talked about Freddy. Freddy versus Jason is a kind of a Freddy, more of a Freddy movie to me, because it really pays a lot more homage to Freddy than, say, like, especially earlier Jason. We don't get any of this stuff that made these earlier movies, you know, Friday the 13th movies.

1:08:07 So the killer is watching Brenda through her window, where they see her lay down in bed and begin to read a book, when suddenly she hears a child's voice yell, help me. She then grabs her flashlight and begins to investigate. And as she heads outside, we hear the voice again, begging for someone to help. And this causes Brenda to run out into the storm like a dumbass. Brenda starts, like, chasing the voice, where she ends up all the way at the archery range. And as she begins to look around, we see the killer turn the. Turn all of the lights on, on the range, essentially blinding Brenda. She then begins to back up as she realizes this isn't a joke.

1:08:49 The camera then cuts away, and we hear a loud scream from her. I don't really understand why they did not show us this kill. I don't get it. Yeah, I don't know. There's really no. I mean, the only thing I could think of is, like, was they trying to paint her as a red herring. But then when you think this whole scene, you know, you know she's not the killer. So I don't understand why they didn't show us Brenda's death scene. Yeah, like, it would be pretty simple. They almost. They literally filmed everything up until death scene and then kind of cut that. So I don't know. I don't know what happened. Here. Yeah, they. I mean, they still could have had her body thrown through the window. It wouldn't really make. No, it would have been the same. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what the. The creative decision behind not showing it was. And it may have been budget.

1:09:41 Budget constraints. I know that they were shooting this very fast. They could have not paid that cop that showed up on that motorcycle and used that money to kill her. Yeah. Would have been a great trade off. Hey, you know, not everything could be perfect. That would have been a great trade off. So we then jump back on over to. They could literally how much money they spent on renting that motorcycle. I think. I think it would have been awesome had they killed her with. With a bow on the archery range. Because they do. One of the first shots we get of her is when Ned almost shoots her with the arrow on the archery range, which is foreshadowing this. This moment where she gets hit with the lights on the archery range. And that's obviously when she gets killed. I also wonder if maybe there was something that maybe got cut out for rating purposes. Yeah, that's. Maybe. Maybe it was filmed and it just wasn't able to be used. So we then jump back on over to Alice and Bill. And Alice tells Bill that she thinks that she heard Brenda scream and that someone turned on the lights at the archery range. So then Bill and Alice decide to go check it out. They soon arrive at Brenda's cabin, where they find it empty, except for a bloody axe laying in Brenda's bed. Next, they head on over to Jack, Ned, and Marcys cabin, where they also find it empty.

1:11:04 This puts Alice on alert, and she informs Bill that they need to call for help. They then run on over to the main office, where Alice breaks in, only to find that the phone is dead and the line has been cut. They then try to leave the camp by vehicle, but as they attempt to start the truck, it doesnt work. Bill's explanation of this is that the engine must be wet. No, I actually think this was really good attention to detail. So he pops the hood to try to find out why it won't start, which was a waste, because obviously he knows nothing about cars, but he tells her, I don't know, it's wet. Which tells me that the killer had popped the hood previous to that and did something under the hood.

1:11:49 And it rained under there. It got wetland. Had they not really catch that? Yeah, I just was latched on to, like, Bill's an idiot. Bill is an idiot. But an idiot in the sense that if I popped that hood and seen it was wet, I would have known immediately that somebody had tampered with the vehicle. But I thought that was really good attention to detail, that they put that, that line in there and think about it that way. So Alice then says that they should just leave on foot, but Bill shoots this down by saying that there is a simple explanation to all this, and they will be laughing about it tomorrow. As he reassures Alice, he then kisses her on the cheek romantically. All these dudes are just continuously touching and kissing on Alice.

1:12:32 Poor Alice. Yeah. We then jump on over to Steve and the cop, and while discussing the full moon on Friday the 13th, the officer gets an urgent call to report to a bad wreck and decides to drop Steve off and have him walk the rest of the way to the camp. So a little while later, Steve makes his way to the camp entrance, when suddenly a person with a flashlight steps out from behind the sign, shining the light in Steve's face. Steve then walks closer when he quickly realizes he knows this person, he then greets them and asks what they are doing out in the storm, when suddenly he gets stabbed in the stomach. I think it is something I never caught. It's worth mentioning, in the cop car right before this. So when they show him in the car, we now know for sure there's no way Steve has been doing it. Yeah, everybody's been dying. But the cop mentions that Ralph's wife was a nervous wreck until we got him home. So we now know that they got Ralph home.

1:13:33 So now the two red herrings, the two suspects we know were red herrings, that it couldn't have been either one of them too. Yeah. And, you know, I think one of the big, surprising moments of this, which is a really good thing to add in, is Steve's interaction with the killer. When you realize, holy fuck, Steve knows this person. And, you know, you don't instantly think, as a viewer, this is someone he knows that's not in the, in the story. You immediately think, oh, this is somebody we've seen. And it's such a great way to throw you off. Yeah. So, yeah, with Brenda's death, and it's clearly a woman that's calling out to her that lures her out of the cabin.

1:14:18 And then the Steve's reaction, we know that it's more than likely somebody that Steve knows and that this isn't somebody who is. Is very threatening, and we know it's more than likely a woman based off of the. Their voices. So that's pretty much all the clues we have at this point. This is really a great way to set up who is the killer. Like a whodunit. They did a really good job with this. And this is why it makes sense of why the movie was such a big hit. So next we see that it has finally stopped storming around the lake and everything is nice and calm. We jump to the POv again, where we see the killer enter the generator room and shut off all the power around the camp, and it instantly becomes pitch blackout. Alice and Bill are now back up at the main cabin, where Bill lights some lanterns.

1:15:10 Bill thinks that the generator is probably just out of gas and decides to go check it out. Alice offers to come with him, but he declines, telling Alice to just try to get some sleep. And this is a good thing because Alice needs to regain some of that energy for the final girls showdown with the killer the of this movie. But she gets that fucking power nap in notice she does. She pops up, ready to go. Bill then arrives at the generator room only to discover that it is full of gas. While Bill attempts to figure out what is wrong with the generator, we jump back to Alice, where we get a way too long of a scene of her making coffee, where she eventually decides to go find Bill. This is a long fucking scene.

1:15:54 Yep. And you know what bothered me about this scene? Alice does not screw the coffee lid back on correctly. No, it's like lopsided. I'm like, why would you do such a thing? Cause she's thinking, man. She's like, I gotta save Bill again, I guess. This whole time, I guess they show us the scene. Cause she's like going through her head if she's gonna go look for Bill or not. And I'm like, I mean, you could have cut this shit down by like half. And we now know Bill is not very mechanically inclined based off of the car. And I don't know how complicated generators were back then, but there's only so many things that could go wrong on it. And his troubleshooting at the generator obviously did not go very well. He comes back and he says, the generator is, uh, wet. It's not.

1:16:41 I don't know. It's not working. But we'll laugh about it later. This all be funny. She then heads to the generator room, where at first she only finds the door wide open, Bill's poncho and his lantern. After shouting his name a few times, she gives up. And as she goes to leave, she pulls the door closed, only to find Bill's body stuck to the back of the door, bloody and full of arrows. When I was a kid, this is the scene that stuck out to me. I do not know why, but this was the, like, screenshot that my brain held for years and years and years. I don't know.

1:17:25 I have no idea why. It's him being on that door when she swings the door and he's just full of arrows is like my main. My main memory of the film. That's interesting. Mine was always Jack, aka Kevin Bacon, getting the arrow through his throat. Well, and so here's, here's the reason, I think, why the ours is different. Because the first, like five times I seen it was on cable. Yeah. And they didn't show that scene. Yeah, I remember not seeing that scene till later. Yeah. Also the axe to the face. I don't think I seen that either. Marcy is Marcia. Yeah. Yeah, that, that one always stuck out too. Yeah. I don't think that they showed that either. I think they showed the lead up, like, to it, but they don't, they don't go back and show that scene where she falls back and kind of slides down with the axe in her face. But we did see the bill on the door.

1:18:18 So I think that's why we have kind of different. Different kind of memories of that man. They really like, you know, whoever this killer is, slit his throat, pinned him to the wall, and then shot him up with like five different arrows. This killer does not like nice guys. Does not. This killer is very aggravated at his lack of mechanical knowledge. So Alice then freezes, like literally shooting arrows into, like, how about that bill? Is it just wet? That arrow just wet. So Alice then freaks the fuck out and runs off into the dark woods. She finally makes it back to the main cabin and we see that the lights are now back on. She then barricades the door using a rope and using a rope to tie it closed.

1:19:04 She then grabs a baseball bat and kind of hunkers down in the kitchen. And as soon as she begins to calm down, we suddenly see Brendas dead body come flying through the window. This fucks Alice up. And she begins to freak out again. And just as she makes it to the living room of the cabin, she spots the headlights of what she assumes is Steves jeep. She quickly runs outside but is stopped in her tracks when she realizes it is not Steve getting out of the jeep. No, it is just a nice older lady in a clean white sweater. Alice then asks who she is and the older lady answers that she is misses Voorhees an old friend of the Christies.

1:19:47 Alice then runs to her as they share a hug while Alice cries hysterically into the ladys shoulder. So Alice then begins telling her about the murders and misses Voorhees then asks her to show her. They then walk into the house where misses Voorhees finds Brenda's dead body. And she is shocked by this. She says, what monster could have did this, I wonder? So misses Voorhees then starts blaming it on the camp and saying how Steve should have never tried to reopen it. She then informs Alice about the young boy who drowned in the lake a year before the other counselors were murdered. She says that the counselors werent paying any attention to the drowning boy cause they were too busy fucking, which, of course, resulted in the boys death.

1:20:38 She then reveals that the boys name was Jason. She then explains that she was a cook at the camp at the time, and she was busy preparing meals for the campers. She then grabs Alice by the shoulders and violently shakes her as she says, Jason should have been watched every minute because he wasn't a very good swimmer. And you can tell here that she's a little too emotional about this, unless, you know, maybe she was close to the boy. And this becomes very obvious very quickly that this was not just some random camper. Yeah. Betsy Palmer is absolutely amazing as Pamela war. He's here, like, slowly dissolving any shred of normalcy as she dives into this, like, psychotic void.

1:21:30 And this is the first time I've really noticed the influence of Psycho in this movie. Oh, yeah. It's very opposite of Psycho. It is the exact opposite. Yeah, the poles are flipped, but the, the mental breakdown that she goes to as she goes from, like, normal and slowly falls into that psychotic void. I thought her, her portrayal as Pamela Laboorhees is a big part of what made this movie, this success, the ending of this movie, so successful. Yeah. I'm so glad because, you know, a lot of people know the story that she didn't really want to do the movie. She thought it was a piece of shit. Yeah.

1:22:11 She literally just did it because she basically got paid ten, $10,000. She said, nobody will ever see it. Yeah. And she needed a new car and she needed the ten grand and thought no one would ever see this movie. But I'm really glad that she came around and became a big fan of the fans and of the franchise and really started going to conventions and really became. She needed another new car, probably. She even, like, created a whole backstory for. For misses Voorhees. And it really makes a lot of sense. She would go to conventions and do panels where she would explain this whole backstory that she had, and it was great. Yeah. You know, she talks about a lot of the parents at conventions. Really? Like, that was the main group of people that would come to her and that the parents would always tell them, you know, we understand, you know, somebody who had a kid that something like that happened to how that could drive you to being psychotic.

1:23:11 This kind of really shows the influence that this had on, like, my bloody Valentine, too, which is a very similar premise of this horrible thing happening and this person doing whatever he can to stop this Valentine's dance from becoming a thing again. And for years he tries to sabotage it until there's a murder. And then, of course, the son ends up doing what he can because his parents were killed as a result of this. But, yeah, definitely you can see the influences in this part, and then you can also see how this influenced cinema going forward. My bloody Valentine, super underrated movie.

1:23:51 Yeah, I agreed. Agreed. This should have. It should have maybe not had as big of a franchise as Friday the 13th, but it should have had a way bigger thing than what it was. Well, yeah, they took a lot of things. I think it was. They were trying to capitalize on the success of Friday the 13th. That doesn't take away from the fact that it was a good movie. The same as Friday the 13th was trying to capitalize on the success of Halloween, and nobody takes away from Friday the 13th for that. She then tries to calm herself a bit before telling Alice that they can leave now. But when the camera jumps back to Alice, she's freaked the fuck out by this lady. And she tells her that on second thought, maybe we should just wait for Steve. Misses Voorhees, shoots that shit down. And then we see her stare off into the distance and we get this, like, flashback shot of a little boy screaming for help for his. From his mother while in the water. I love the way the water looks.

1:24:54 It's like just black and blue. Yeah, they did a really cool kind of color thing with the water here. Misses Voorhees then says, I am Jason. And this is where it becomes, apparently, that Jason was her son. She then looks right into alices eyes and tells her that Jason was her son and today is his birthday. She then alludes to the fact that she killed Steve and that she could not let them reopen the camp again after what happened to her son. She then loses her mind as she looks at Alice and says that she let her son drown because she wasnt paying attention. She's basically confusing Alice for, you know, one of the counselors back in the fifties. I think she's just like some severe PTSD flashback thing going on. That's what I love about this scene. Is it, like I said, she does such a good job showing her deep dive into. From. From seeming normal to slowly deep diving into the psychotic madness. And you can tell that, but, you know, it wasn't about the killing for her.

1:26:02 It was like the next year. But she actually spent years trying to prevent it from even coming this close to being open again. So this is something she's been struggling with for a long time. She, after 62, the whole lake thing, she probably didn't have to worry about it because it's clear the camp hasn't been touched for ten or 15 years at least. And now it's coming back to her and it's probably hitting her even ten times harder. So she walks towards Alice as she then pulls out her big ass hunting knife. She then runs full speed at Alice with the knife raised when Alice then fucks her up with a fire poker, temporarily knocking her out. Alice then takes off running out of the cabin and straight for the jeep. But when she opens the door, she immediately freaks out by the sight of Annie's dead body in the passenger seat. She then says, fuck this. I'm out, as she takes off towards the woods. But as soon as she enters the wood line, we see Steve Christie's body drop down in front of her.

1:27:02 This is where Jason gets it from. Yeah, because we see that mother like. Son for so many movies. That's another thing I think is missing from kind of the newer Jason movies. Is the body drop scenes is rigging up his surprise traps, which we've brought. Up so many times. But that one where she trips that trap early and he looks. That's the tree like. Fuck. Part seven where he's, he's like, he's rigging out there rigging some shit up. And then he hears it and looks over and he's like, what the fuck? Yeah, he's rigging the last body. I just set that shit up. Yeah. Misses Voorhees then exits the cabin in pursuit of Alice. And this is where we see that she kind of has like a split personality thing going on here because she starts speaking in a child's voice, saying, kill her, mommy. Kill her. Kill her, mommy. Kill her.

1:27:57 Don't let her get away, mommy. Don't let her live. I won't, Jason. I won't. That's where the iconic Jason noise comes from. The. Friday the 13th. Yeah, it was the k from kill and the m from mommy. Yeah, we've run through a delay. Is basically an echo. Yeah, it's. And you can cut that out. Oh, the. Oh, the editor was gonna. It's gonna fucking take. Take that shit right out. You can. You can actually put the actual sound over it. And then. And then I'll take credit for it. Alice then runs into a cabin and finds a gun. And while. While misses Voorhees runs to the generator room and turns the lights back on, which is kind of confusing because the lights in the cabin were already on the.

1:28:47 I don't get that. Before Alice can find the bulletstone misses Voorhees walks into the cabin and tells her it will be easier for her than it was for jason. We then hear her speak in the child's voice again, saying, kill her, mommy. Kill her. Misses Voorhees then smacks Alice like a fucking abusive husband a bunch of times before throwing her through a table. And as she goes to pull alice off the ground. This next part is fucking great. Alice grabs the rifle and hits. Misses Voorhees right in the coochie, which causes her to grab her vagin pain. Yeah, all that hair didn't. Didn't soften the blow enough. Oh, my God.

1:29:30 I remember, like, I was a teenager the first time I noticed she hit her in the vag with that thing. And I was like, damn. She just. She just fucked her up. She just. She just cootercracked. She just cooter cracked her. Like, I didn't even really think that that was, like, a. That painful of a thing. Usually she almost, like a guy when he gets hit in the balls. Yeah. Fucks her up. Like, fucks are up. What's funny is this fight scene here. So the Betsy Palmer came from, like, a stage, like, background. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they actually would hit each other. Yeah, they would have a scene. So the first scene that they shot, Betsy Palmer said she, like, fucked her up. And the actress that played Alice was like, oh, my God.

1:30:11 Oh. She dropped to the ground and cried and yelled for Sean Cunningham. And Sean Cunningham's like, what the fuck are you doing? And she's, like, practicing the scene or something. Betsy, we don't do it. Like, no, we. We miss people here. She. Then. She then hits her in the face with the gun, knocking her out again before running off into the darkness. Alice then tries to hide in a dark cabin, but of course, she gets found. Now, this is interesting. This is the. As many times I've watched this, this is the first time I noticed this. Misses Voorhees chops through the door with an ax and sticks her face through the broken part of the door. What other famous horror movie is known for that? Got it. Here's Johnny. I put it in my notes, which. Came out the same goddamn year. Yep. Never, never put those two together.

1:31:05 What a coincidence that is. Yeah. Two of the greatest horror movies have the same scene and they came out at the same time. Here's Pamela. Johnny. That's what I put in my notes. I did. I didn't realize that they came out the exact same year. I actually thought that the Shining came out a year too prior. No, they both work. Yeah. I did come across a thing where how many good horror, big horror movies had come out that year. And the shining was one of the movies it kind of went against. Damn. So she tries to chop Alice with the axe. Alex ducks that shit, and then she bashes mister, misses Voorhees in the face with a frying pan, knocking her out again. And I just want to point out this is the third fucking time she has knocked her unconscious in like ten minutes. Yeah, you probably should just kept going after the first time. I hate that in horror movies.

1:32:00 That's one big complaint. That's in a ton of horror movies. Like when you get the killer down, just finish them off. Finish them off. Just beat them to fucking death right there in the movie. Or cut their hands off, you know? Shit. If they come back as zombies, what they're gonna do? Nub you to death. Yeah, I'm cutting head off. You always got to be prepared for zombie to come back. That, you know, learn that from the evil dead. Alice then runs to the lake where she begins prepping a canoe in order to escape. But soon she sees misses Borges reflection behind her in the water. As she turns around, she almost gets chopped with a machete.

1:32:41 She then uses a canoe oar to knock the machete out of misses Voorhees hand. But misses Voorhees grabs her and manages to get the oar from her and hits her with it, knocking Alice to the ground. They then both end up on the ground fighting as misses Voorhees begins strangling her. They then roll around and fight some more before Alice finally gets free and grabs the machete. We then get a slow motion shot of Alice running full speed towards misses Voorhees, chopping her fucking head clean off with the machete. And as her head goes flying, we see her now, headless body's hands come up and shakes her fists like, no. I've been defeated, and her big, hairy man hands.

1:33:29 Aliston smiles and drops the machete, climbs inside the canoe and drifts out to the water. The next morning, we see Alice passed out from exhaustion, just floating in the middle of the now calm lake. She wakes up to find two police officers standing on the shore. And as she looks in their direction, we suddenly see a decayed, deformed boy come up out of the water and grab her, dragging her under. She then wakes up from a nightmare in the hospital where a nurse and a doctor try to calm her down. A police officer then walks over and begins to talk to Alice. She asks if all her friends are dead, and he informs her that, yes, she was the only survivor. She then asks about the boy named Jason. And the cop with a confused look on his face says, they didn't find any boy. What if the cop was like, no, but we did find that woman that you murdered on the shore of the lake. And also all your friends murdered while you were doped up on marijuana.

1:34:35 And you're now being charged with multiple counts of murder and drug use. That's actually probably not too far from. What it actually literally pinned it on her. They would have had quite some questions after that. Well, they're like, we know you're smoking marijuana and you went crazy and you killed everybody. And good luck convincing that. Convincing the police that all these other people were murdered by this old woman. And Alice's fingerprints are on the gun. They're on the machete. They're probably on the fucking ax. I mean, they're on all kinds of weapons at this point. The shit back then, I feel like they're like, oh, we don't even need fingerprints. She's the only person alive. She had to kill everybody. She tried to escape of the canoe. She was smoking pot. She tried to escape in the canoe, got high, and fell asleep before she got away. Too much of that columbian golden, that, the hash that we need, dig it. Yeah, this story could have went a complete different direction, but, yeah, the cop says they didn't find any boy, and the room goes silent before we get a close up of Alice's face as she says, then he's still there. And that is the end of Friday the 13th, man. That the.

1:35:46 The big ending with the. The Jason jumping out of the boat and grabbing her, I think is. Is a big part of what had a massive effect on people for the end of this. This was not in the original script, and I don't think the movie was complete without it. But one thing I noticed when watching it, and I know they talked about it in the documentary a little bit, but the fucking. The music amplified this, the score. This is the. Literally the only time we have a positive music. It's very soothing. Yeah. Very soothing. Very positive music. But. And they drag it out for so fucking long, and it just makes that. That reveal, that jump out of the water so much better. Yeah.

1:36:32 Tom Savini used to go to theaters at the very end of the movie and sit in there just to watch people's reaction to the scene. I do remember being a kid, and that's that getting me. Yeah. Like, it got me. It was. It was a jump scare that got me. Did you know that the. The sound back. Back then, the movie weren't. It wasn't balanced as good either. So you always have to turn the tv way up because the low parts are so low. So whenever they had that loud score go on, when he jumps out of the water, it's just. I remember it getting me pretty good. So the question that I have been wanting to ask you for so long, do you think Pamela Voorhees knew about the camp reopening beforehand or did she find out when she picked up Annie? What if she had no fucking idea? She picks up Annie and Annie tells her about this job at the camp, and she's like, them goddamn bastards are gonna open it again. I gotta get there tonight and start killing people. That. That is. That's a good theory. Yeah. Like, like she, you know, they live out kind of in the middle of nowhere. The only towns 20 miles away.

1:37:46 Obviously, she, you know, it doesn't seem like she lives there. She may live, you know, 30, 40 minutes away or something from the camp. She has no fucking idea. See, Christie's there. Make, like, redoing it. Well, also, so after the murders in 57 or 58, the year after jason drowned, every year after that, she. Whenever they're going to reopen, she starts fires. She sabotages the water in the wake. She always does something before it gets to this point where she has to kill people. And that's probably her mental side, not wanting to have to kill people. So she tries to shut it down before it gets to this point.

1:38:27 And. Yeah, I think that's. That's a really good theory. I thought you were going to come out with, like, a plot twist. Steve was actually. He actually murdered her. And that was him in the jeep. And no, like, if you think about it, you know, if she wanted to shut the camp down, that's her goal. She could just went, killed Steve Christie. Any other time over the year she. Would just went and set the cabins on fire again. You know, was, you know, one person would have been all she'd had to do instead of doing all this. And it almost makes sense of why once she picks Annie up, she starts hauling ass because she's like, I've got to get on this now. Yeah. And I always thought that was interesting. Maybe. Maybe Pamela Voorhees was, you know, living her life as kind of a normal person and she's just driving, you know, back to her house or something. One day after getting supplies from the town, she picks this girl up, is in the middle of nowhere. This girl tells her about the camp reopening and she's like, oh, shit, I had no idea this was happening. Yeah, yeah, I think that's a really good point. And that, that's why I mentioned with the, her, like, going super crazy is she more than likely hasn't had to deal with this for 1718 years, since 62. But we know based off of the condition of the place, it's been at least ten or 15 years.

1:39:47 She got away with the murders, she got away with the arsone, she got away with the whatever you call sabotaging water. And, you know, she hasn't had to deal with this in a really long time. You would think that if she knew it was going to open beforehand, she would have done one of her old tricks to avoid it getting this far. So I think it's a really good point. Yeah, I've been wanting to talk about that for so long. I just like had this epiphany of it and I was like, I need to run this by somebody, but I couldn't because I needed to save it for this episode. Alright, so we'll run through some facts. So, fun fact, Tom Savini actually did the arrow shot in the scene where Brenda is setting up the target and Ned almost hits her with the arrow. It's pretty cool.

1:40:33 Was she really standing there? Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah, I guess he was just really good with the bow for some reason. Really good with effects, too. So because Betsy Palmer didn't arrive in New Jersey until much later, a male stand in was put in her place for all of the kill scenes. This person was actually Tom Sabini's assistant, hence why all of the kill scenes look like a guy, you know? Yeah, that it's Tom Sabini's assistants. Hands that come up when she's beheaded and they're clearly man hands. Like, they're hairy man hands. Yeah, you know, I was thinking Betsy Palmer because, you know, she. She started whooping Alice's ass. And that first scene where they start fighting, when she got this script, she was probably like, okay, I'm throw down.

1:41:21 As much as they fight in this movie, she's like, we're about. We're about to fuck each other up. We're going to talk about this in a minute. The fighting. So we're actually going to talk about it right now. Speaking Tom Savini and fighting. He was actually supposed to leave right before the last few scenes for the movie were filmed, but he decided last minute to stick around and watch the fight scenes between Adrian King and Betsy Palmer. And according to him, the fight scenes looked like shit. And the actors also didn't do really a great job. So he decided to stick around and completely re choreograph the fight scenes and help the actors in making the moves look believable. Apparently a lot of people say he saved the fight scenes in the movie. Can we give Tom Savini a Nobel Peace prize? She should. What else do we give somebody for such awesome life achievements?

1:42:20 Like a lifetime achievement award? I feel like that's not big enough. No, Nobel. You don't have to call it a peace prize, just a Nobel prize. Just give him something like, man deserves it. Film achievement award or something. He's done all this amazing stuff. He opened up a fucking college in Pennsylvania that teaches just practical effect. I mean, the man has done so much for us. So much for us. Now, I believe that the next part here is in the screenplay. I don't know if they ever filmed it. So apparently, despite the eleven year difference, Alice and Steve did have a fling at one point, but she soon put a stop to it in order to have an on off sexual relationship with Bill. This is why both of them, like, are romantic towards her. Yeah, makes sense. I could see that. Yeah, I know. Another thing that was actually in the screenplay, but got cut out due to, I guess, time constraints was they actually show Betsy Palmer earlier in the movie and she is missing a finger.

1:43:29 Yeah. And every time, in all the kill scenes, they show the hand missing a finger. And it was supposed to be the one clue that pointed towards who the killer was, but it was supposed to be like such a small shot where you initially see her finger missing that you would have to be like really eagle eyed to actually catch it. But it ended up getting cut out. So, yeah, she loses her finger killing bill. And I believe that the reason it was taken out was Sean Cunningham did not want any, any possible way for you to kind of piece together Betsy Palmer being the killer. Betsy Palmer even tried to bring up, like, why don't you just put her in the diner in the beginning and just have just show her one time? So when you see her at the end, it's like, oh, and he didn't want anything like that. He wanted, he was pretty hard to the point where he didn't want you to find out she was a killer until she says she's the killer.

1:44:31 Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I'm not going to question him there, because the movie was obviously a great success. But I personally do wish that she would have been somewhere, just a small part, somewhere, even in the diner would have been a good idea. Somewhere where we would have seen her at the end and we would have said, oh, that. You know, I remember her. Yeah, I think the diner would have. Been perfect because we give, they give us these red herrings in the movie, but it's almost unfair to the viewer because you don't ever actually get to guess who the killer is because they're not in the movie. So I think it would have just made sense for her to be just in the town. Like, when. When in the beginning where the what's her name's going through the town, the girl that's supposed to be the cook that gets killed in the jeep, running out of the jeep, just somewhere in the town in the background, maybe leaned up against a column or in the diner somewhere. I do wish they would have did that. So this next one is about our favorite film critic, Gene Siskel.

1:45:36 Oh, God. You remember he did a bunch of fucked up shit when maniac came out. Yeah, we talked about him. Yeah, I think I know what you're about to talk about. Well, this tops that. So when he wrote the review for this, because, of course, he hated it. Yeah. He not only spoiled the surprise ending for everyone on purpose, but he also put Betsy Palmer's personal home address in the newspaper, according to him, in order for people to write her hate mail over the film. I hope he is enjoying hell right now. Yeah, fuck that guy. What a dick. All because you didn't like a fucking movie. Yeah, to put.

1:46:22 To not like a movie is one thing to ruin it is a fucking bastard thing to do. But to put somebody's personal address in the fucking paper, specifically to write them hate mail, like, dude, fuck that guy. I hope he died of, like, fucking some type of ass cancer. That hurts so bad. Somebody should post the address of his grave so everyone go pee on it. Yeah, I was thinking shit on it, but fuck that guy. And last but not least, misses Voorhees, as she is known in this film, didn't have her first name, which is Pamela revealed, until a shot of her gravesite in part four.

1:47:07 Isn't that weird? That is weird. That's why I didn't call her Pamela at all when I did the plot, because at that time, no one, for years after, no one knew her name was Pamela Voorhees. Just misses Voorhees. Yeah, that was cool. That is weird, you know, with these movies coming out so much before our childhood and then they continued to come out as we grew up and. And, you know, the majority of them being when we were young kids or before we were born. It's just weird thinking, like, knowing the whole franchise and then realizing that that name wasn't an actual name until the fucking fourth movie. Yeah.

1:47:47 Ratings and kill count. So we got a total kills of ten. We have Barry, who was stabbed in the stomach. We have Claudette, who I assume was stabbed with a knife. Don't really know. Annie, who had her throat slashed. Ned, who had his throat slashed. Jack. Oh. Got an arrow through the neck. Marcy, an axe to the face. Steve was stabbed in the chest. Bill had arrows all over his body. I guess Brenda. We don't fucking know how she died. And Pamela Voorhees, who was decapitated by Alice. My favorite kill is Jack, obviously. That's. You know, there's. There's. That's a hands down. My second one is actually miss Voorhees, though. I like the head chop. I dig it.

1:48:34 Okay. So. Well, I went with. With my favorite as being Pamela voorhees. Whoa, you didn't go Jack. Yeah, I went with him as a close second. Whoa. Pamela voorhees. Because the decapitation was done so good. So I seen Tom Savini talk about. They actually, like, put a lot of work into making the body anatomically correct with the, like, esophagus and the. Your jugular veins and stuff. Looks good. So in the way they did it, they made the head. They made the body. And he actually hit it with the machete. And on the first try, the head flipped. Perfect. The fucking. Everything looked so good that they were able to show this kill, a decapitation in slow motion, and it still looked fucking amazing.

1:49:23 Yeah. Close second, though, being Jack, the, the arrow through the neck is, is not only awesome, but the backstory behind it with the pump malfunctioning and somebody actually blowing the blood through and it coming out better. I thought that was awesome, too. All right, so film rating. I gave it. What do you think I gave this movie? Um, I'm gonna think you gave it a five. I did. My only issues, only issues with this movie was they should have shown all the kills. We should have seen, like, Brenda's kill. I'm okay with not seeing bills because the reveal is cool. And then we didn't see Claudette and we should have seen that Ned. We should have seen. I'm on the fence with Ned because I really love the reveal of Ned's death. Yeah, well, they could have, they could have still shot that awesome cinematography shot of his body, and we still could have got to see him get his throat cut. That's my only complaint. Other than that, I think this is a perfect movie. Well, your, your, your explanations very much shorter than mine. Okay. But this is my favorite franchise, so I wrote a book for it. I rated this a five. This definitely gets some bonus points with me for being the birth of my favorite slasher franchise. Hold on. Time out of. Is that your first five on this show? No. No. You've had a five before.

1:50:47 You give them out a little less than I do. I give a little more. I'm a little more lenient with my five. Rarely give out a five. I think I gave the Exorcist a five. That's a perfect movie to me. And then there was one other movie that we did. The evil dead, I think is the only, the original evil dead. It's the only other fives that I think I've given out. The, the acting is fucking fantastic, especially Betsy Palmer. The cinematography is fantastic. You know, the whole POV from the killer was not only huge for this movie, but it influenced a ton of movies going forward. The special effects, obviously are amazing. This is an incredible time for practical effects in general. And the stuff that Tom Savini was doing every time we cover one of his movies was just, we literally, it almost gets repetitive every kill, talking about how amazing. Yeah, we'd definitely be stroking Tom Zavini's ego over here. I mean, but, you know, how, how can we not covering a fucking.

1:51:48 With slashers being our favorite movie movies to cover the ending's phenomenal. You know, I've always known of the Halloween influence and the attempt to capitalize on this success. This is the first time I really you know, realized that the major influence from Psycho on this movie. With that said so, it's very obvious that this movie influenced a ton of movies going forward that tried to capture the same magic. It's just. It's a fucking absolute classic. The birth of one of the greatest horror franchises of all time. You know, it's reach and influence alone. It deserves a five. Yeah, this is a phenomenal movie.

1:52:28 Like I said, this is one of the few movies that I. I have to watch once we get into September, October. It's. It really. And I like to try to watch it earlier because I feel like it really sets my mood for Halloween. Even though we don't have zombie Jason in here. It is such a fucking good movie. It's. It's got everything that makes it classic minus, you know, Jason himself. But we had the camp, we had the counselors. They're all getting killed different ways. You know, it almost reminds me how we talked about, like, dream warriors where that was the first movie where we seen Freddy kind of kill people in the individual specific ways that tailor to them. And this is a movie kind of in a similar fashion where we kind of get that standard. Jason kills everyone in different ways, use different weapons, and it sets the tone. Even though Jason's not really here, it really sets the tone.

1:53:22 We get the bodies to fall. I mean, we get the pov, we get everything. That's the tone. Yeah, that's something that I didn't. I wrote so much, I didn't even mention the score. The score is fucking iconic. And travel through all the paramount movies. And it was a genius idea to kind of do what Jaws did, where even though we don't, we don't get to see the killer. But what we do get is music to, like, let us know that the killer's here, the killer's around, which is a really great idea when you have a movie that doesn't show your killer until the last, like, 30 minutes of the movie. Great, great, fucking great movie. And it set such a precedence over the next, good God, 30, 30 something years or whatever. And that is the very reason I give it a five. So I will say whenever.

1:54:08 So always write my rating. And then I write out my explanation. I initially put down a 4.8. Do you know, I'm very, very, very stingy with fives. It's got to be really, really, really good for me to put a perfect movie in. And very rarely do I type out my. My reviews and what I'm going to say. And then I went back and changed it to a five. I gave it that extra two points because, you know, that I could, that my biggest changes were, I wish we had seen Betsy Palmer, Pamela Voorhees somewhere else early in the movie, just something in the background. And then obviously some of the kills we didn't get to see. So I added a 4.8.

1:54:51 But, you know, it's, it's influence on horror. Before this movie, they didn't, they didn't really consider horror movies as major box office films. And this is a one of the movies that really changed that and a couple other movies that year that from 1980 going forward, big time horror movies would be considered major box office films where prior to that they weren't. It had major influence on cinema in that way, but horror as a genre and it gave birth to a franchise that spawned twelve movies. So I bumped it up to five. I do want to throw in kind of a bummer on the movie, which was originally Alice was supposed to be kind of hero throughout, like the sequels, which, you know, I wouldn't want her to be in all of them, but I, you know, wanted her to be in like the second one. But she ended up getting a really crazy stalker from this movie, which caused her to basically, when they were writing the second one, to say, hey, I need you to kill me off, like as soon as possible. I don't want to be in these movies.

1:55:57 And then she kind of hid from Friday the 13th fandom for a very long time because of this, which is unfortunate. But yeah, I agree, that's a really shitty thing to happen. You know, I don't rate her as much as I love the franchise. I don't rate her and my like top three final girls. Oh, yeah, I think she's great. But I do wish we would have got to see her through this first trilogy, at least the first three movies that went together. And it is really unfortunate that somebody had to deal with something like that to the point where they couldn't do because, you know, as big as the first movie blew up when the second one was being made, it was huge at that point. So to have to turn down that role out of your own personal safety because somebody got fucking obsessed. That's sad. Well, then you got fuckers like Gene Siskel that's going to just put your address out in the, in the newspaper at the time. Yeah, somebody should break his gravestone. He doesn't deserve to have one. Well, once again, we thank you guys for listening. Please give us a follow or like, if you enjoy the show, check out the website and check out our socials. Tell a friend, a family member, or youre favorite dead camp counselor about the show. We hope to see you next time. Got any last words? Columbian gold. The grass hash. The weed digit killer, mommy killer.